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Toxage · Sep 29, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw083td2.jpg

Wow... I post a serious problem with the DCS and get attacked by the PR Manager.... o.O

This wasn't me having a couple seconds of lag... This way me getting that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Please give the system a few days and let us hear your positive and constructive feedback. Some of the claims of "I was punished" I know are not true. It's really easy to have a .04 second delay in connecting and figure "The system blocked me!"

Umm.... look at the screenshot and read my my first post? Basic reading skills here....

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Let's get some real feedback, not knee-jerk reactions. Sure, if you get a block on your account, let us know that via the Support system. But please don't post anecdotal comments without having worked with the system, because it's too easy to say "Yeah, and my grandmother was blocked for two weeks for botting, and she doesn't even have a computer!"

I have worked with the system, which is why I am making this thread because the system has many problems/flaws and just is just overall complete crap with no thought but into it.... I find it interesting that World Of Warcraft adds a player report system and then Guild Wars adds a player report system very similar to World Of Warcraft's the very next day... MMMMMM

Havre Fras · Sep 29, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

"Due to your cowardice or selfish conduct"? So i'm a coward if I leave after i've lost or if none of my team connects?

That description is a big pile of steaming shite!

Saphatorael · Sep 29, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

I just typed some stuff on the irc, think I'll summarize it here...

Basically, the system is way too abusable.
As it is now, you can enter Random Arena's with your monk, and get reported by a W/Mo who barges in and gets himself killed within 3 seconds. Why? Because you're behaving badly according to him. Of course you could report him back, but... there's 4 people in a team, and if the team loses, some people just want someone to blame, often the monk. So whilst you have 1 certain vote in your favor, the W/Mo could easily get 2 or even all 3 votes from the team to /report you.

Or, you leave a big guild on bad terms. Mass /reports from vengeful people and you're banned.

My quick suggestion whipped up in spontaneously was: Lower the /report cap for people to be used from 50 to 5 per day.
People should get tempbanned when at least 10 reports are in within 2 days. Of which a minimum of 5 per day of which the reported person has been logged on. By different people, multiple reports from 1 person AND guild should be counted as 1 report in the grand total.

Someone immediately claimed it could be too complicated, but perhaps that's for the best. Most people know how easy it is to abuse, and that's what they do right now. You wouldn't want to have a little child dictating the law if he doesn't even know civilian rights, eh? That child will act as the victim against anyone who's acting 'superior' (let's say, adults, not arrogant people) and set people up against you.
Or you just walk down the street because you feel like it, and you accidentally bump into a little girl who drops her ice cream and freaks out.. If there'd be a DCS in real life like there is in GW, you'd get tagged as a pedo in an instant.

DreamMystic · Sep 29, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I don't understand why I'm being punished for leaving when someone left earlier making a 2 or 3 man team. Why would I want to play 2/3 vs 4?

Shadis · Sep 29, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

The system is highly abuseable. Arena.net would be well-served to scrap it until they can work out these issues. How they even let it go live in such a state is beyond me.

Everyone could've told you that it would be abused to no end and look, it's happening.

DreamMystic · Sep 29, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Shadis

The system is highly abuseable. Arena.net would be well-served to scrap it until they can work out these issues. How they even let it go live in such a state is beyond me.

Everyone could've told you that it would be abused to no end and look, it's happening.

Somehow the game has gotten exceedingly worse. I've been penalized for leaving when one guy was on my team just running. I DO NOT want to watch runners and I'm sure no one else does. The penalty is to long for a game thats fast pace, this isn't WoW.

Ghost Recon · Sep 29, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Ok..full story, please.

Someone reporting you for this "Price of Failure is good for shutting down melee characters." isn't going to happen.

Most of the players who play RA would report you just for the fun of it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Let's get some real feedback, not knee-jerk reactions. Sure, if you get a block on your account, let us know that via the Support system.

Why even bother contacting support when by the time they respond you will be able to go back in anyway.

Henchman · Sep 29, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Lol, some of you people are so childish. I have played RA quite a lot since the update, and not once have I used report, had it used against me, or had it used on anyone in any match I have played.

Unless you are looking for fights, there is actually little reason to use the report button.
And even if by some chance some bored user reports you, nothing will happen, as a report gives you 2 dishonor points, and it takes 10 of them prevent you from entering. Unless of course you also leave matches before they end.. in which case, this is exactly the reason why the system was implemented in the first place..

I think most of the complainers on this thread are simply trying to exaggerate on how to abuse the system, because they don't like the fact that they can't leave until they get the perfect team, or can't leech to earn to earn fame.

Dishonorable Combatant System = Mega WIN * 10^10
Great job Anet! I thank you, and judging by the sharp increase in the number of districts in the Arenas, I'd say that most of the community thanks you too.

Bankai · Sep 29, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

It seems the only problem is the insanity and the disfunctioning brain of some people.

Hire people to ban dumb people? Y/N?

lyra_song · Sep 29, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Bankai

It seems the only problem is the insanity and the disfunctioning brain of some people.

Hire people to ban dumb people? Y/N?

i really think if youre /reporting without merit, you should be getting a longer sort of punishment

IlikeGW · Sep 29, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Ghost Recon

Most of the players who play RA would report you just for the fun of it anyway.

No, they wouldn't. People play the game believe it or not, you'd have to be a major jerk to take their mind off the game to complain about you.

Ghost Recon · Sep 29, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

No, they wouldn't. People play the game believe it or not, you'd have to be a major jerk to take their mind off the game to complain about you.

Do you ever read any of the crap in RA districts? Most of them are jerks.

o m g pizowned · Sep 29, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

people will report because they think it's funny. not everyone playing is a mature person

Fitz Rinley · Sep 29, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

I agree with Gaile 100%. Give this time and let it work. There is an old saying around here, where I live, that if everyone were required to carry a locked and loaded .45 - well, in just a few bloody years the courtesy levels would all improve.

The report function is a minor variation of that practice. Now that all of us are loaded with the weapon against discourtesy, we will begin weeding out those who are not mature enough to play or teach them how to be mature.

This change by ANet increases my likelihood of playing in PvP a great deal, even the competitive areas and AB.

Lord Beramus · Sep 29, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

The report system is negative and only negative for the game, because this is a game and supposed to provide a good time, so I must have the right to quit or leave a team whenever I don't have fun anymore without punishment.
This is the greatest failure of an idea the dev team ever had.
Of course this is my personal opinion but according to that opinion a game company that dosen't repsect my freedom of choice to quit whenever I want is not worth any more money spent in any game that creates.
Between waste 10 minutes from my time as a punishment because i quit from a team that didn't provide any interest or fun for me, or never play this game again, rest assured i will always choose the second one.

HayesA · Sep 30, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

And this is why I don't do RA anymore. Even when testing builds for a bit of fun. Nor do I so willingly do PVE pugs. :-\ Too much sillyness for me to handle.

wilderness · Sep 30, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

I'm not even going to read this thread... but this entire system is doomed to abuse in its current format.

The amount of times I've been in a pug and seen someone being abused just because they're not as experience/not wearing the correct armour/not running the flavour of the month build..

Like all Anet's initial solutions: this is beta and I feel it will will cause more harm than worth in its current format.

dameros · Sep 30, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

I HATE this system. It's a piece of CRAP.

How could anet even think that the gw community is mature enough to handle this new system??

I was in RA and left after everyone had DIED and some dumbasses reported me and guess what? Now I can't pvp.

I say screw this system. No matter how long the system has been in place there will always be 12 years olds and other idiots reporting ppl for the littlest things.

reverse_oreo · Sep 30, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Anet cant affort in-game gamemasters.... ILL DO IT FOR FREE! Every single town/outpost/AB/RA/TA match i go to there is blatant racism and offensive material. All they need are some quality ingame GM's. Thats it. Anet could have countless people signing up to do this for free.

bhavv · Sep 30, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

This system is stupid. Abuse it by playing noob skill bars in RA. It is in the best interest for EVERYONE to exploit this and prove to Anet it's the stupidest idea they've ever come up with.